I mean you need a certain amount of base mathematics so that you can learn everything else quickly. But once you have the foundation, it’s fairly quick.
Shame the interviewer did not proceed to ask him what he considers this foundation to be, I think the question almost suggests itself.
I wouldn't suggest focusing on qualifying exam topics unless you need to pass a math qualifying exam.
In modern mathematics, particularly applied mathematics, these are NOT the most useful topics. That's just how things have always been done, and no one wants to argue about changing them in faculty meetings. See also the language exam:
http://web.math.princeton.edu/~templier/language-exam.txt
In my former career I never once used topics covered in "abstract algebra" (note that I'm distinguishing linear algebra from abstract), a common situation among analysts. Most people outside of analysis never use complex variables.
The only common core of topics I can identify that nearly every mathematician I know uses is:
Measure theoretic probability (this intersects with real analysis)
Linear Algebra
Algorithms and optimization (this is less common than the above two).
I learned proofs in a numerical analysis class. That doesn't mean a budding algebraist should study numerical analysis, it means you will learn how to do proofs in any rigorous math class.
Sorry didn't mean to imply that one needs to learn abstract algebra to do proofs. Was just mentioning my experience as it was course where I really enjoyed doing proofs.
Wondering why this is voted down. He is quite right. Several math professors at my school who teach applied math do not know even the utmost basics...say things like computing kernel of a quotient group. Am sure they must have known it at some point during their student years, or maybe during the 60s-70s, you could get away without knowing these things, I dunno.
otoh, my abstract algebra professor was able to learn and then teach me Ito's lemma all the way up to semimartingales, topics he had never set eyes upon in his entire life! So I'd say the abstract stuff makes you much more stronger - gives you tools to understand from scratch material you've never seen before. The applied people generally glaze over when you mention math topics out of their competence zone, especially topics that are "useless" for some definition of "use".
I don't know what you mean by "validity". I am absolutely certain that applications of all the "standard" fields (real, complex, algebra) can be found. They aren't bad things to learn.
I'm just suggesting that from what I've seen, the other fields I listed are more commonly useful. Everyone I know, across pure and especially applied math has used probability and linear algebra. Lots of people haven't used complex analysis or algebra ever, except on the qual.
I have read his summary of his qual linked here before, and upon reading it this time I also read a few additional. My takeaway is that it seems like it would be a lot of fun for the profs to conduct these interviews (most of the time, with probably a few utterly disastrous one thrown in for good measure).
Unrelated: why was your post not repliable when I first saw it? I refreshed the page a few minutes later and the reply button was there. No idea why that happened?
> a lot of fun for the profs to conduct these interviews
They can be. But it can get boring if your colleague wants to see the details of some boring computation. And, more seriously, it can be painful if the candidate is doing poorly. Fortunately I have not yet had to fail anyone.
> why was your post not repliable when I first saw it?
I believe there is a delay, the length of which is a function of how deeply nested your comment is, to encourage more top-level comments. (In particular, it tends to defuse arguments if you have to wait a long time to reply...)
One way to help get through quals: The quals are,
on the surface, in some common justifications, to be
more sure the student can do the dissertation research.
Okay.
Well, there's another way to be "more sure", really, more reliable than any
quals can ever be: Have the student do the dissertation
research independently before the quals. Now
in this case, just what
are the quals for?
Or,
for an engineering Ph.D., a guy writes a good
dissertation in applied probability
with careful attention to the tricky
subject of measurable selection,
and want to hold him back
due to some qual with some tricky
issue about Feller I
probability?
Or, there's a qual in optimization,
in part on the details of the Kuhn-Tucker
conditions,
but the student has already done original,
clearly publishable work, e.g., in JOTA, in optimization
and, in particular, the Kuhn-Tucker conditions?
E.g., for problems in functional form, are the
Zangwill and Kuhn-Tucker constraint qualifications
independent? Along the way, given a closed
subset of R^n (usual topology), is there a function f: R^n --> R
positive on the closed set, 0 otherwise, and
infinitely differentiable (not quite the
same as the Whitney extension theorem)?
Is the Mandelbrot set closed and, thus, an
example? What about a sample path of
Brownian motion? So an infinitely
differentiable function can have
a bizarre level set? What does this say about
a question, without an answer, in the
famous paper in mathematical economics
by Arrow, Hurwicz, and Uzawa? And in this
case, the qual in optimization serves just
what purpose?
The quals might be to see if the student
is prepared to take advanced grad courses,
but he's already done that and used
some of the best content in his Ph.D. research?
Now what are
the quals for?
The quals can start to obscure a basic point
about the three things important in high end
academics, research, research, and research,
that is, the publishable kind. If a guy is
doing well in research, want to hold him
back because of what?
Can there be such students? Yup. I have
an existence proof.
Besides, quals can be awash in politics.
The usual criteria for publication are
that the
work be "new, correct, and significant".
At some good research universities,
there is no coursework requirement for a Ph.D.,
and the dissertation is supposed to be
"an original contribution to knowledge
worthy of publication" or some such.
So, for a student, do some research
and publish it.
As I recall, at one time the math department
at Princeton said that the grad courses
were introductions to research by
experts in their fields, that no courses
were given for preparation for the qualifying
exams, that students were expected to prepare
for the quals by independent study,
and students were expected to have some
research underway in their first year.
Good. I'd done a lot of
independent study before I
went to grad school.
I got accepted as a grad student at the
Princeton math department but went elsewhere
(where my wife was still in grad school),
brought my own research problem with me
to grad school, and did my dissertation
research independently in my first summer
building on one of the courses in my
first year. Then the quals were for WTF?
Shame the interviewer did not proceed to ask him what he considers this foundation to be, I think the question almost suggests itself.