Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin
Uber is laying off 10% of staff (uber.com)
83 points by DeepLogin 6 hours ago | hide | past | favorite | 28 comments
 help



> We are also asking the vast majority of remote employees to move to an office, and going forward, only ~1% of employees will be remote.

If you believe in return-to-office as a soft layoff, even more than 10% will be leaving.


That's a nice idea but how many of those people will wind up at a job that doesn't require RTO? I was applying quite a bit back in April and many places that previously had decently-hard stances on allowing WFH now stated RTO as a requirement.

“ The benefits of sitting together, collaborating in person, and solving problems as a team are clearer than ever in our post-Covid world.”

100%. Speaking only for myself, I was fully remote for a few years and that was a miserable experience. Now everyone is mandated to be in office 3 days a week and that works better for me. Uber is going one step further and structuring teams to be colocated with their manager. That solves the problem of team members distributed across multiple offices, which is still a real pain point in the hybrid model.

I know some people who strictly prefer fully remote setup. Over time, I think companies and employees will self sort themselves into those who prefer office vs those who prefer remote. That should work out for most of us.


When working a regular 9-5 I very much preferred office presence for the social aspect, especially when work is slower and no pressure.

But when I actually need to concentrate and deliver high quality work, it needs to be in a quiet place. And that is often from home, because open space office buildings are the devil's work and I will never forget how much people complained about them when they started becoming the norm a bit before the 2010s.


> Speaking only for myself, I was fully remote for a few years and that was a miserable experience.

Just out of curiosity, what did you find miserable about it? I've been working remote since 2008 and just have no desire to ever be consistently in an office, but I guess I did like it when I could pop over to SF (I live in NYC), stay in an apt my employer at the time had, and spend a week with people. Otherwise, I much prefer the freedom of being remote.


Laying off people is uberhaupt nicht nice!

"In Pulse surveys and conversations with many of you, we’ve heard that too much work requires coordination across teams, debates take too long, and decision-making rights are unclear. I’m sure many of you have felt that you spend too much time “aligning” rather than building, shipping, or serving customers. To improve this, we have reduced roles primarily focused on coordination, and have clarified the remit of the coordination roles that remain. "

Well, in theory this sounds reasonable. But who knows what will be the real consequences.


I don't get it. Too much time is spent coordinating, so fire those who are responsible for coordination? Am I reading this wrong?

People whose primary job is to "coordinate" often, either in a well-meaning attempt to be thorough or just to be relevant, try to pull as many different people into any decision-making as possible.

So instead of me just getting approval from my manager, I need to get approval/buy-in from departments A, B, and C.

In that case, firing the "coordinator" person increases velocity because parts of the business processes they prop disappear.


That's how I read it, too.

They pinpointed the problem of over-coordination to the messenger (coordinator) instead of the teams demanding final approval over launches (coordination).

Won't merging different teams under a single owner only push the problem further down the org chart?


There were too many meetings, so they got rid of the people whose jobs were to create lots of meetings.

The coordinators enable extra coordination that is not worth doing. The coordination itself is the problem.

I've heard this at other companies and it's almost always an issue of upper management holding too much control over decision making, or poorly communicating actual business objects, but it's project managers and middle management that will bear the brunt of the layoffs.

It's logical if you view them as unsuccessful.

But if "decision-making rights are unclear" is listed, it seems unlikely those people were the problem.


"Complain about coordination, get laid off" is what this reads like

So TPMs are getting the axe? Product managers too?


They addressed that in this press release, though.

Jack Welch's legacy

Revenue is up massively, so we'll be getting rid of the people that helped that happen. Genius move.

This is a common strategy nowadays. Not sure of the rationale

I thought it was common knowledge that

1) there was a hiring glut during COVID-19 for SWEs [0] that is now seen as a period of overhiring

2) private equity and larger institutional shareholders are seeing their commercial property investments bleed out [1]. research points to increased (or at least not diminished) efficacy of being fully remote [2] so there's obviously a trade-off that's pushing companies to assume that risk and personally I'm not convinced that it's due to the anti-social desire by execs for high-control alone

[0] https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/software-engineer-jobs-fi... [1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/COMREPUSQ159N [2] https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/intentional-insights...


If we could jump into this depression faster that would be great. I really want this shit over with.

Interesting -- it doesn't cite AI (smart comms move, and a change from recent practice) but the buried lede is that this frees up resources etc etc.

I think we might be in a new phase: AI layoffs are now being disguised as regular layoffs (rather than the other way around) because of the backlash.


Layoff note mentions AI => it's not AI

Layoff note omits AI => it's AI

I am onboard with the idea that corporate messaging is typically anything but forthright but I don't see the logic here.


Because AI is now a monstrous political issue, and the valence has flipped -- literally the irony I was pointing to :)

Whoosh


Uber was one of the first to admit that AI isn't all it's hyped up to be.

Another

      R
      T
   LAYOFF



Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: