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I wish I could but the Windows version of Emacs sucks ass.


I work with Windows version of Emacs and works pretty well (c++ with lsp-mode). I'm using Emacs Doom with antivirus disabled. The Linux version is faster than the Windows one, but it's very usable. The main problem is git, it's slow as fuck on Windows. An operation that in Linux takes less than a second on Windows takes a couple of seconds. Magit is slow on the Windows version, it makes a lot of different commands in background.


That’s weird. I got opposite experience. It seemed that Windows 10 version was snappier than my setup on MacOS. It did feel quirky to work through ecosystem though.


No personal experience with it (on Windows), but maybe running via WSL(2)? (E.g., https://emacsredux.com/blog/2021/12/19/using-emacs-on-window... )


It's like if of all cooking appliances all you had was a microwave oven, and then you complained about not being able to make ice-cream. You chose to play with a handicap, now things don't work well for you? -- Well, guess who's guilty...


i feel you, this is a reason why, even though i started using emacs on the job almost two decades ago, and liked it a whole lot better than anything else i have encountered since, i eventually moved away from it after that job.

the new job was using a language where the source code was in a database of sorts. really fussy about how to handle the code. using external tools was a huge nono.

two jobs later i find myself working with msvs and vscode and eventually realize those are THE WORST tools in existence. well, if you disregard that stuff from earlier...

i returned to emacs, had a hard look at my choices and settled for cygwin. it has its own flaws, but emacs is not one of them <3

now i just need to learn how to use gdb to get rid of msvs for gud xD


I used it for many years without issues, give WSL a try, it even works in graphical mode.


Did you try from cygwin?


You have an unnecessary word in there…


use GNU not windows :)


See, that's the kind of argument that is making vscode win over every other alternative.


nevermind the fact that it was a joke and not a sales pitch, how can any argument make one editor win over another? no argument will change what emacs is or what vscode is.

why do you imagine just saying the windows version of emacs sucks should bring emacs brand ambassadors to you to make their argument for emacs?

it's very odd.


It's not a win I'd care about. This takes away the audience which would put a lot of pressure on Emacs developers to do stupid things that would lead to the editor getting worse and worse. This is the "popularity curse" which spoiled a lot of good things in programming world.

So, if people who want to use Windows don't become Emacs users -- I couldn't care less. I don't want these people to swamp the developers with requests to add mouse-based navigation or modal windows. Being few years a dad, I discovered that in situations that don't endanger my son's help, it's more expedient to let him make his own mistakes, if he really wants to, but it doesn't work if I try to pretend that his bad ideas are equally valid as good ideas. In other words, if people want to use Windows, they should be told they are doing something stupid, but they shouldn't be strong-handed out of it.


It was a play on “GNU not Unix”

I use vscode as my primary editor


how can u live with it using the gpu so much?

thats actually my reason for switching away from vscode as im mostly working on machines without a discrete gpu AND utilize the gpu in my projects.. i cant have my code editor use 30% of gpu just to scroll text up and down (without any plugins installed) it's just silly XD


Get better hardware? Don't go cheap on your development system. I'm on an Apple M1 device and have barely noticed it.


I have to use the laptop that my company gave me. I can't even use the OS I want, I'm stuck with Windows. On top of that, the VPN, antivirus and other garbage running in the background make the laptop really slow. It sometimes take 20 min for it to properly boot and be in a usable state.


That's kinda like a traffic engineer saying "I always get stuck in a massive traffic jam while driving back home. I know, we'll add another lane to the highway."

If a tool runs poorly on commodity hardware the solution isn't "get better hardware," but "improve the tool."

...okay, unless the tool absolutely requires specialized capabilities, like a neural network which needs a dedicated GPU for number crunching.


Except there’s never any parking at the railhead.


Also get a portable power station too, to deal with battery life. ... or just don't run dozens of browsers on battery-powered devices.


8 hours battery while doing heavy development on apple silicon hardware, while being the fastest mobile dev machine I've ever owned. Seriously not an issue.


i admire their silicon for its power efficiency, i truly and honestly do. but i dislike the manufacturers' politics up until now.

if apple ever becomes a beacon of openness, transparency and sustainability: sign me up for the newsletter. i'll even consider their ridiculous pricetags if apple became comparable to, let's say MNT.

in the meantime im considering to switch my personal laptop over from a T220 to a mnt reform


computers dont have to cost x000 bucks to be good enough.


The tools you work with multiple hours per day and earn a living with should not be "good enough", they should be "best in class". And is a computer that is struggling to scroll in a simple web thing good enough? It's not good enough for your average user who wants to do light web browsing in Chrome, so why would it be good for a developer?


ok. guys? we are (at the extreme) talking about a texteditor here. there is no reason for source code tooling to utilize GPU and if you think otherwise, i have no reason to continue to talk to you :D good day

oh and one more thing:

i assure you, this computer is more than good enough for browsing websites and do whatever you would do as a regular user... idk how you came to the conclusion it was otherwise.

it's not even the case that vscode makes anything slow here, there is no ditch in performance, everything is smooth as butter, i simply report the GPU spiking up to 30% whenever i make vscode scroll text.

are you telling me this is acceptable when i can just as well use a mightier software tool that doesnt utilize the gpu at all?

on another note: how is it be acceptable to anybody to poop a browser into every other new app? element, discord, vscode, you name it, it has electron or whatever in it. i prefer versatile tools over simple ones just like the next person, but i know for a fact: we can have that without all the blingblong.

ok, NOW im done with this


The M1 MacBook Air is under $1k.


> and comes with a walled garden.

look, you go and support apple, and thats fine, but i really dont see the point in choosing hardware that is looking at locking its users in somehow.


Which walled garden you are talking about? You can install any programs you like, just like on Windows or Linux.


And Asahi Linux has gotten pretty good.




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