I want to impress upon you sincerely that I am not sneering. I do, as I have said (and I stick by it), dislike EY's writing on a stylistic level. I'm not going to hide that. This is partly down to personal taste. I think that style says a hell of a lot about the substance of a person's thought†. Having read countless academic and academic-type essays where people try to mask their lack of knowledge with a hailstorm of jargon and moreover lack the decency to take the time to go through their reasoning in plain and simple language. It really bugs me, EY may not be guilty of it but it sure looks like it to me.
The very first commenter to his essay said swap 'perfect-tech-being' for 'angel' and you get a philosophical debate as old as utilitarianism itself but you're right it is a nice singularity slant on an old problem, and in this way it is novel but we could go through the whole of philosophy of mind, or even philosophy of religion and substitute daemons and angels for super-ais and the claims already made therein would not change much.
Both you and jerf have taken the time to show me the thinking behind the surface and I thank you for that. I will be more generous in future.
Epistemological properly means 'of or relating to a theory of knowledge' so "epistemological state" cannot really mean "state of beliefs and knowledge", as you say "epistemic state" would have been a lot closer to this. I think it is best to avoid words like epistemological unless you happen to be Per Martin-Löf‡ or someone of that calibre because we all fail at wielding such terms judiciously (including me of course) and that's not meant to be snarky!.
Concision! Oh yes please. What are the virtues of philosophical writing? Brevity. Clarity. Humour. A sharp use of metaphor. A Himalayan perspective :)
There's one significant difference between posing the problem in terms of AIs and posing it in terms of angels: if AIs are going to exist we'll have to design them[1] and whoever's designing them will be trying to ensure that their behaviour fits (something like) our values; whereas if angels exist, they were designed by someone else whose values may be quite different from our own and it's no business of ours to decide how they should behave.
[1] Perhaps indirectly.
Yeah, I like concise writing too. Concise and clear is even better. Concise, clear and funny, better still. Yudkowsky doesn't do too well on conciseness, but I think he does just fine on clarity and humour. (You might want to bear in mind that the article linked from here is part of a lengthy ongoing series (perhaps I should say: series of series) that EY was writing at the time; it's doubtless clearer when read in the context of the rest of it.)
Although "epistemic" would have been better, I really don't think "epistemological" need have been such a roadblock. If someone refers to an organism's "biological makeup" or "physiological condition", I hope it would be clear that they mean the kind of makeup/condition with which biology/physiology is concerned, rather than the organism's pet theories about biology and physiology. So also with "epistemological state".
What do other users of such terminology mean by it? I just asked Google for <<<"epistemological state">>> and of the first page results I reckon: first one is this discussion; second one is EY's meaning; third is ambiguous; fourth is yours; fifth is EY's; sixth is EY's (and says in so many words: 'Philosophers tend to suppose that one's "epistemological state" is constituted by beliefs'; the authors are philosophers); seventh is yours; eighth is ambiguous but I think nearer EY's; ninth is a sort of hybrid, nearer to yours; for the tenth (of which I can see only the snippet Google provides, the rest being behind a paywall) I can't tell. Some of those hits are from people whose use of philosophical language I wouldn't trust for an instant, but at least four seem reputable. (I am not sure whether to be relieved or alarmed that the ones that look reputable to me on other grounds are also the ones that favour EY's usage; perhaps I'm suffering from some bias or something.) It seems like EY's usage is pretty reasonable. I still think "epistemic" is better; as you may have noticed, he's now changed it.
I want to impress upon you sincerely that I am not sneering. I do, as I have said (and I stick by it), dislike EY's writing on a stylistic level. I'm not going to hide that. This is partly down to personal taste. I think that style says a hell of a lot about the substance of a person's thought†. Having read countless academic and academic-type essays where people try to mask their lack of knowledge with a hailstorm of jargon and moreover lack the decency to take the time to go through their reasoning in plain and simple language. It really bugs me, EY may not be guilty of it but it sure looks like it to me.
The very first commenter to his essay said swap 'perfect-tech-being' for 'angel' and you get a philosophical debate as old as utilitarianism itself but you're right it is a nice singularity slant on an old problem, and in this way it is novel but we could go through the whole of philosophy of mind, or even philosophy of religion and substitute daemons and angels for super-ais and the claims already made therein would not change much.
Both you and jerf have taken the time to show me the thinking behind the surface and I thank you for that. I will be more generous in future.
Epistemological properly means 'of or relating to a theory of knowledge' so "epistemological state" cannot really mean "state of beliefs and knowledge", as you say "epistemic state" would have been a lot closer to this. I think it is best to avoid words like epistemological unless you happen to be Per Martin-Löf‡ or someone of that calibre because we all fail at wielding such terms judiciously (including me of course) and that's not meant to be snarky!.
Concision! Oh yes please. What are the virtues of philosophical writing? Brevity. Clarity. Humour. A sharp use of metaphor. A Himalayan perspective :)
†http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/schopenhauer/arthur/lit/chap...
‡check this out for a jaw-dropping walk through the gardens of logic / epistemology http://docenti.lett.unisi.it/files/4/1/1/6/martinlof4.pdf