Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

Compare with http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/29/vw-excess-emissions-linked-to....

VWs actions left around 60 estimated dead. Around 120,000 days of people not being able to function normally. At a direct cost to the economy of around $450 million. And a cost to our quality of life that most would consider even higher.

All of which is bad. But no matter how you do the math, most of this fine is punitive dissuasion for others who might be tempted to also cheat.

(Note that most of the fine moves money from the left hand to the right without destroying it, so we are theoretically collectively left better off as a result. Plus we prevent about as much more damage as we had already.)



I think you're right. Fines have to be higher than the direct cost to society and they have to be higher by the chance they're caught.

In this case, it was very hard to detect, it was fully intentional on the part of the company, and they fought for years to keep it hidden.

This sort of deception is maybe 1 in 20 or 1 in 50 to be caught? So it isn't like a parking ticket - it's hard to catch and was hard to prove.

Furthermore, this is a "deal with the mess you made" solution - or a "natural consequences" consequence if you are a parent. There are certainly much more efficient ways of spending the money to improve public health, but those are abstract, hard to explain to the public, and hard to explain to the car owners. So they are less efficient from the government, public and company's perspective. Make America hyper-rational and the owners would continue driving these cars and we'd spend the money on truck emissions or something.


> In this case, it was very hard to detect

Was it? The researches who detected it didn't seem like they were doing anything that special. My impression is that nobody had bothered to check before.


Call me vindictive but punitive is good. I tire of million dollar crimes punished with thousand dollar fines.




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: