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Or the industry standard will change

It reminds me of when people will use filler words because they haven't actually decided what thesis they're going to commit to yet. Just-in-time thinking.

One thing they could try eating is glue on their pizza, helps the cheese stick to the toppings

They don't generate keyword search queries very well. They can overcome this by brute force but if you watch what they search you will cringe.

nhl toronto scores nhl hockey toronto scores "nhl hockey" toronto score today nhl "hockey score toronto" "hockey" who won toronto

etc.

Somehow being good at semantic search makes them bad at keyword search, for whatever reason.


I suspect that this behavior is a learned adaptation. And that it's most likely a feature not a bug.

Based on personal usage, I think it reflects functional degradation of search engines. I've found LLM keyword combinations are more likely to find the results I want with most search engines than mine. Including the big one.

The big one had solved this issue a long time ago by generating those associated keywords based on your input keywords, but somehow, something, somewhere has degraded that system to the point of inanity. And so here we are.


I’ve noticed this too but it hasn’t been obvious to me that this style of search is not a learned behavior. Tool calling is very much part of the post training phase, I would expect that these style searches just naturally emerge during training. This is just my prior though.


Reminds me of using AltaVista search back in the day. Yes, it was that bad.


Can confirm; Claude is quite bad at this by default. Need a special skill


that and always putting the “current year” at the end of the search term (so the results are more recent, I guess?), except that “current year” consistently ends up being 2-3 years ago since I guess that’s what’s in the training data (even on a harness that injects the current date)


it's not just you, there is research that people are starting to talk more like chatGPT. you have a gift for parody though.


That's a sharp insight, and it reveals something core to communication that I otherwise wouldn't have considered- HN item 6b translocates reliospacactivity of our medium.

Shall I engage the tachyon beams, sir?


Your argument in favour of TUIs is that they can be, in fact, not TUIs and actually CLIs


They can be both!


why is that staggering? I think we're at a point now where the use of AI is not really much of a quality signal in either direction


Did not read the paper so apologies if this is covered but isn't it possible that there is some recognizable semantic pattern in the training data where an "aha" is often followed by a subtle semantic shift that proves closer to the original premise in some critical way, and by emitting the "aha" token the model causes itself to produce such a subtle semantic shift that pushes the subsequent reasoning closer to the desired response?


They finally killed the `old.reddit.com` subdomain for logged-out users this week, which was the final push I needed to stop even idly browsing. I've been using the site since at least the digg exodus in 2010.


They are also slowly killing /r/all ahead of the elections


> They finally killed the `old.reddit.com` subdomain for logged-out users this week...

Is it a gradual shutdown? [0] works just fine for me, and I don't and have never had a Reddit account so I'm always logged out. I've visited a few of the comment threads on that page and they all display just fine.

[0] <https://old.reddit.com/r/mikrotik/>


It’s been broken for me for at least a week. When I click that link I get:

Log in to use old Reddit To keep Reddit safe, accounts are required to access old Reddit. Log in, or continue without an account on reddit.com.

By continuing, you agree to our User Agreement and acknowledge that you understand the Privacy Policy

Somehow Reddit thinks I care enough about their content to set up an account and log in just to read it. They are mistaken.


"To keep Reddit safe", god why do they have to lie in such an obnoxious and patronising way?


because its spez. That is his nature.


Hmm.

I'm using Firefox on a full-sized computer (that is, not a phone or tablet). Do you get different results with Firefox on a full-sized computer, or is that your primary web browser?

> Somehow Reddit thinks I care enough about their content to set up an account and log in just to read it. They are mistaken.

Same here.


I wouldn’t be surprised if it has more to do with the fact that I’m currently in Vietnam. I certainly get a lot of websites that give me extra hassle about accessing from here, or some simply refuse to load at all. Just try booking a domestic USA flight on Frontier Airlines or Southwest Airlines while currently being in Southeast Asia…

For what it’s worth, I’ve received this on my iPhone running safari. I almost never use Reddit, and when I do it’s usually because I’m casually browsing and someone linked to it, and for that type of usage I’m almost always on my phone. I can’t remember the last time I attempted to access Reddit on an actual computer. But I’m clearly not their target user, I simply don’t care about them enough to be willing to jump through any hoops.


Doesn't work in Europe either -> full login wall, Desktop Firefox.


> I certainly get a lot of websites that give me extra hassle about accessing from here, or some simply refuse to load at all.

That's fuckin lame.

Thanks for the detailed reply.


I get the login wall too. Chrome (incognito)/Android/Pixel


I haven't been able to access old reddit for ages, but it is different now. Previously, they just gave me that obnoxious fedora-reddit-guy "whoa there pardner!" and some anti-bot message I think, but now it explicitly says "Log in to use old Reddit. To keep Reddit safe, accounts are required to access old Reddit."


logged-out users have been blocked if using a VPN for a while.


That link is giving me a login screen completely on desktop.

New reddit: Doesn't require a login Redlib: Doesn't require a login


It worked for me (from two French IP addresses in different ASs) for two or three weeks since people started talking about. Now it's gone too.


you can still access old reddit by choosing on Settings → User Preferences → Prefer classic UI or something like that


As the gp says, only if you're logged in.


They've also been making it so the preference seemingly doesn't stick now. Used to be it would just randomly undo that setting, now it just doesn't respect it at all in my experience.


They are trying to stop scraping, I guess.


Scrapers won't be stopped by needing an account; in the recent discussion [0] about this, someone mentioned that there's even a JSON API you can use - by appending .json to any post! It's to drive engagement... for the advertisers. They gotta keep the valuation up after the IPO.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49015533


I exposed this JSON API in the same style as their original API at api.reddiw.com and they banned my account without warning. I explicitly included my reddit username in the user-agent so that they could reach out if they had a problem with it. Nope, straight to banning my decade old account.

The company has turned evil sadly.


spez likes your comment.


Well ya, but they have written posts to mods explaining that their long term goal is to limit scraping.


in my experience, gemini is easily the most grating, condescending, stereotypical LLM voice between opus/fable, codex-5.6, glm-5.2, etc


Me: Paste a go compile error

Gemini: Wow, yeah, haha! That's the final boss of Go compilation errors!


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