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You sure? You ever ran a business? Prototyping costs, machines, licenses, overhead etc. etc.

The prototyping and machine costs are easily under a million. It's one custom-built vacuum.

You can do it with 0-3 digits of license cost too.

There's no sane way the business overhead more than doubles things.


looks pretty cool, but as all AI landing pages do, it suffers from not enough contrast. you might want to lighten the darker text shades ;)

Thanks for the feedback, I'll do that! I think different screens and system settings affect this a lot, on all the devices I've looked at the site on I felt it was quite comfortable to read, not to discount your experience, I'll keep that in mind for the future as well.

then it pretty obviously is not better?

This website is absolutely horrible to use. We adhere to UX standards for a reason. That is familiarity so people don't have to think about how to use things. This website feels weird and I dropped out before I could read what it's about (there's also a reason that the landing page tells you what problem is being solved).

How do you use it? I explored building on this as a platform but ditched it because only crypto nerds seem to use it and fiat is used all around anyway.


Yes you need crypto for small payments. If you prefer using cards that’s fine but you don’t get to pay for things per API call.


AI flattens everything I think. Not sure how to articulate it properly, but it reduces depth of any kind somehow


Might be because of AI written comments like these ;)


or efficiency is more important because you have a high load of people you need to interact with. I was a grammer nazi back in the day but stopped caring because the ROI is minimal and I've got shit to do that's more important. so maybe it's the same for them


I've never understood the "efficiency / ROI" argument. What is the "Investment"? What's the time delta between using the shift key and not using the shift key? Does it even add up to one second per year? What's the accumulated time loss from spelling "grammar" properly?

If the delta is simply "cognitive load" then we're back to the theory I already posted.


I'm not certain about shift deltas, but one typically can type faster at the cost of increased errors. I type quite a bit, so even small percentage decreases in total time spent typing is significant. Humins ar rpretty gdood att standing under even very mxed and grbled txt.


The price is often paid by their subordinates, and ultimately the business. I remember working under a pretty inarticulate "senior leader", and he'd send these 3-word barely understandable E-mails to his directs asking them to do something. There would be a frantic scramble of meetings and discussions trying to understand what it is he actually wanted us to do, with a lot of guesswork and arguing. Nobody wanted to tell the guy he was as understandable as a pigeon, so we usually just guessed. Sometimes guessing very wrong and wasting an enormous amount of resources.


They're willing to boil the oceans to write better emails and, alternately, not have to read emails others have sent. So I don't think it's a lack of desire. I suspect it's more atrophying of ability to put effort into anything.


maybe. maybe they just stopped caring what others think or something


By your logic, you didn't put in much effort into your message. Besides not capitalizing the first letter of every sentence, everything else looks great though for me, and I'd imagine it was low effort for you. Those messages between billionaire read like the worst texts from low IQ teenagers.


I dunno, misspelling "grammar" as "grammer" isn't a great look in context.


Fine, good enough. Still better than decabillionaire or top dog at the Fed.


you should get me on my iphone since the new auto correct fucks up my bad writing even more


And then there are people who go out of their way to disable iOS's automatic capitalization feature.


If you have time to post on Hacker News, you definitely have time for proper grammar.


You’re right.

Gotta be really incredibly efficient while planning your time on Epstein Island doing Epstein Class things to Epstein girls.

These world changing guys clearly have no spare time on their hands at all.


I think you're right. Only people trying to look up care about appearances, a millionaire CEO will reply with "sounds good - Sent From Outlook for Iphone", while the intern will write a full thesis level reply on why they need pto.


Doesn't work for pages protected by cloudflare in my experience. What a shame, they could've produced the problem and sold the solution.


That’s what they are doing. This is a textbook protection racket.

“Buy Cloudflare bot protection, otherwise it would be a shame if your site got scraped and ddos’d.”

Who is doing the scraping and ddosing? Cloudflare.


In this case, sure... that said, I've worked on a few sites where more than half the traffic was bots because the content was useful for other sites (classic car classifieds/sales site). The fact that just over half the page requests were actually search query results is what meant a lot of optimization steps in practice... Implementing a "search" database (mongodb and elastic were pretty new at the time), denormalizing a lot of the data structures on the "enterprise" SQL structures for search and display for not logged in users, etc. Heavier caching, donut caching, etc.

It was an interesting and sometimes fun part of my career. Working on a site/application that isn't necessarily a tech site, and that I have a personal interest in was pretty great... some of the pace for sales/commercial features less so, with sales making deals requiring deep integrations on impossible timelines. You learn a lot when a self-hosted site is being kicked while it's down... The cloud migration to get a better use of flexible resources, etc.


You can trivially block Cloudflare crawl via robots.txt. You don't need to buy Cloudflare's bot protection -- this is not a malicious bot.

https://x.com/CloudflareDev/status/2031745285517455615

(Disclosure: I work for Cloudflare but not on this product. I get pretty tired of the conspiracy theories TBH.)


That's too funny. If true, really looking forward to the Cloudflare response here. I'm unsure how you would spin that in a way that didn't seem self-serving.


It's very clearly disclosed in the linked docs already, it says that Cloudflare Bot Protection will block it same as all other bots, unless you choose to allow it as an exception. If they didn't do it that way, people would accuse them of either bypassing their own product (possibly anticompetitive) or just having a low quality one.


So it doesn't take any action to work around other bot protections? Feels like that would be on the list of features an AI company wanting to scrape would ask for.


No, it does not take any action to work around other bot protections.

https://x.com/CloudflareDev/status/2031745285517455615

(Disclosure: I work for Cloudflare but not on this product.)


Cloudflare crawl respects robots.txt. It does not attempt to bypass any anti-crawling measures. If the site doesn't want to be crawled -- whether it uses Cloudflare or not -- this product will not help you crawl it.

Some sites actually want crawlers -- e.g. sites that are selling a product, documentation, etc. That's what this product is meant for.

https://x.com/CloudflareDev/status/2031745285517455615

(Disclosure: I work for Cloudflare but not on this product.)


I imagine that would cause a backlash from the website owners trusting cloudflare to keep their content 'safe'


As long at it gets past Azure's bot protection ...


Wait. What?

Is this just a way to strong-arm non-cloudflarians into adopting their platform if you don't want your site crawled? It does sound like they are selling the solution to avoid their own content crawler.


Came here to write this. I am getting much better results from Firecrawl (not affiliated with them, just a happy customer).


As someone who helps keep a site online with a lot of content, I have mixed feelings on Firecrawl.

On one hand, their bots seem much more well behaved than others.

However, running a crawler fleet which is deceptive and evasive in its identification and don't honor REP is no way to build a business.


I'd love for you to kick the tires on https://grubcrawler.dev


fuck firecrawl. they copied my idea by showing interest in my product and then copied it, used their YC money to give it all out for free. fuck nick in particular. I'm still salty over this


"they copied my idea by showing interest in my product and then copied it". What exactly is revolutionary about Firecrawl or your product? Scraping APIs have been around for over a decade.


I was the first to return markdown and use reader mode stuff to strip irrelevant stuff. Theres copying and there's talking to the founder sounding interested to have your team copy what I did in the background. One is fair game, the other is a dick head move.


Not sure about the first claim. But yes, talking to the founder, sharing details and having it stolen is not a good look. Sorry that happened to you.


I think that is a neat idea and it sucks this happened, but how long before somebody simply saw that feature and replicated it? I'm curious, had you considered a deeper moat than that?

This is especially relevant given AI is making this kind of thing easy at an industrial scale. I think we should all be looking for alternative moats.


Sometimes timing is your moat and that's all you need. That being said I'll probably start limiting my public releases to revolve around standards I want implemented.

I'm rethinking the sources of value moats are built around. It seems like the landscape is changing and dimensions such as location, perspective, experience, and attention weigh more than they used to.

> but how long before somebody simply saw that feature and replicated it?

This is a good example. The, idk, "value store" of your org just switched from products and services to the employees who understand your process from a couple angles and can write well.


Tell more. Crawling is not a new idea. How did they abuse you?


Please tells me you are joking


Who said PR reviews need to solve all the things and result in proof against idiots?

So you're saying that peer reviews are a waste of time and only idiots would use/propose them?


None of that, sorry if I wasn't clear.

To partially clarify: "Idiot proof" is a broad concept that here refers specifically to abstraction layers, more or less (e.g. a UI framework is a little "idiot proof"; a WYSIWYG builder is more "idiot proof"). With AI, it's complicated, but bad leadership is over-interpreting the "idiot proof" aspects of it. It's a phrase, not an insult to users of these tools.


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